Place names in Franklin Kidd's manuscript
(this section is an addition contributed by WSF Kidd 4/2012)

Irish place names are a ripe and abundant source for confusion (!); rather than correction of the names in the typescript to match the current official list, and proliferation of new footnotes, I have chosen to make the separate lists below, keyed to the page numbers of the manuscript. These include all places mentioned in SE Ireland in Counties Wexford, Wicklow, Carlow, Leix/Laois, Kilkenny, and southern Kildare. Places outside that area (in Dublin, Limerick, etc) are not included.

The list below gives townlands first; a separate list of parishes follows this. The typescript page number refers only to the first mention of a particular place relevant to the context of a Kidd-related person; many of them occur repeatedly thereafter in the typescript.

A few place names may (or might) be ambiguous as to identity; where I think this could be the case there is a mark to a footnote list following the table.

Among the county names, one has three possible forms:
Franklin Kidd uses the old form “County Leix”; this is the current Co. Laois.
However, it can also be called “Queens's County”, and the IreAtlas database uses that form.

If you want to find other Irish places, especially townland and/or parish names, I recommend the website: The IreAtlas Townland database  [http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/ireatlas/]
Used in conjunction with the maps viewable online from the Ordnance Survey of Ireland [http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer] it is possible to resolve most place name and location questions.

I have also compiled a file, which includes most of the places mentioned in Franklin Kidd's manuscript, that displays them in Google Earth. This includes all the churches (except in Dublin), including those where just the registers* are mentioned, as well as towns and villages, and the townlands. A link to this Google Earth kmz file can be found on this website. Geographic coordinates can be extracted from this file, using Google Earth, or otherwise.

*Many of the old church registers are now deposited in the Church of Ireland Representative Church Body Library in Dublin, and are not to be found in the parish of origin.
See: [Location Of Records - http://ireland.anglican.org/information/65]
A list of those registers in the Dublin library can be found here: [http://www.ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/parregs.pdf]
see also this page:
[Survival Of Parish Registers - http://ireland.anglican.org/information/68]

Townlands may overlap parish boundaries; parish boundaries can even cross a county boundary, it seems. Civil parishes are (and were) unlikely to coincide exactly with the ecclesiastical parishes. Errors and/or omissions in the list below therefore might be of Irish origin, rather than mine.....

William S F Kidd 04/2012

Franklin Kidd page in typescript (first occ.)	Townland, Village, or Town name in FK typescript	Name from IreAtlas database	Civil parish from IreAtlas	County	
		Villages, Towns in italics
Bold if different from FK			
p6	Clough	Clough	Clonmore	Wexford	
	Carnew	Carnew (also town)	Carnew	Wicklow	
	Clonegall	Clonegall (also town)	Moyacomb	Carlow	
	Shillelagh	Shillelagh	Carnew	Wicklow	
p9	Raheen	Raheen	Kilrush	Wexford	
	Ballyrankin	Ballyrankin	Kilrush	Wexford	
	Ballynastraw	Ballynastraw	Moyacomb	Wexford	
p10	(Ballynesbagh)	Ballynastraw	Moyacomb	Wexford	
p10 (also p23)	Ballyboy	Ballyboy	Ballycarney	Wexford	
p11	Clobemon	Clobemon	Ballycarney	Wexford	
p14	Ballisland	Balisland	Moyacomb	Wicklow	
p16	Coalattin	Coolatin	Carnew	Wicklow	
p17	Coolroe1*	Coolroe	Tintern	Wexford	
	Tintern	Tintern	Tintern	Wexford	
	Owenduff2*	no match – see parish list			
p20	Askamore	Aska More	Carnew	Wexford	
p21	Cranemore	Cranemore	Barragh	Carlow	
	Knocknagee	Knocknagee	Ballaghmoon	Kildare	
	Ballyellis	Ballyellis	Carnew	Wexford	
p23	Slyguff4*	Sliguff	Sliguff	Carlow	
		Sliguff	Lorum	Carlow	
p24	Boris	Borris (also town)	Clonygoose	Carlow	
	Corah	Corah	Ballycarney	Wexford	
p25	Coolbawn3*	Coolbawn Demesne	Templeludigan	Wexford	
	Ballymoney	Ballymoney Lower	Kiltennell	Wexford	
		Ballymoney Upper	Kiltennell	Wexford	
	Gorey	Gorey (also parish)	Kilmakilloge	Wexford	
p26	Monart West	Monart West	Monart	Wexford	
	Carlow	Carlow (also town & parish)	Carlow	Carlow	
p27	Glenharry4*	Glannahary	Sliguff	Carlow	
		Glannahary	Lorum	Carlow	
	Leighlinbridge	Leighlinbridge (also town)	Agha	Carlow	
	Baganalstown	Bagenalstown	Dunleckny	Carlow	
p28	Rathvilly	Rathvilly (also town)	Rathvilly	Carlow	
	Mount Lucas5*	no match near Rathvilly			
p29	Tullow	Tullow	Fennagh	Carlow	
	Staplestown	Staplestown	Ballinacarrig	Carlow	
p31	lower Ballingate	Ballingate Lower	Carnew	Wicklow	
	Ballingate	Ballingate	Carnew	Wicklow	
	Money6*	Money	Carnew	Wexford	
	Coolkenne7*	Coolkenna	Aghowle	Wicklow	
p32	Drummin8*	Drummin	Moyacomb	Wicklow	
	Drummine	Drummin	Moyacomb	Wicklow	
	Drummen9*	Drummin	Preban	Wicklow	
	Preban	Preban	Preban	Wicklow	
p33	Ballinglen	Ballinglen	Preban	Wicklow	
	Moyne	Moyne	Moyne	Wicklow	
p34	Umrygar	Umrygar	Carnew	Wicklow	
	Tombrean	Tombreen	Carnew	Wicklow	
	Hillbrook	Hillbrook Lower	Carnew	Wicklow	
		Hillbrook Upper	Carnew	Wicklow	
	Barnadown10*	Barnadown	Kilpipe	Wexford	
	Tinahely	Tinahely (and town)	Kilcommon	Wicklow	
	Camolin	Camolin (and town)	Toome	Wexford	
	Cronyhorn	Cronyhorn Lower	Carnew	Wicklow	
		Cronyhorn Upper	Carnew	Wicklow	
	Courtown	Courtown (and town)	Kiltennell	Wexford	
p35	Ferns	Ferns (and townlands)	Ferns	Wexford	
	Ballard	Ballard	Carnew	Wicklow	
		Ballard	Aghowle	Wicklow	
p37	Kilbride	Kilbride	Barragh	Carlow	
	Kildavin	Kildavin	Barragh	Carlow	
	Kildreenagh	Kildreenagh	Dunleckny	Carlow	
	Ballywilliam	Ballywilliam	Templeludigan	Wexford	
p39	Ullard11*	Ullard Beg	Myshall	Carlow	
		Ullard More	Myshall	Carlow	
p40	Bohermore	Bohermore	Dunleckny	Carlow	
	Dunleckny	Dunleckny	Dunleckny	Carlow	
p41	Templeludigan	Templeludigan	Templeludigan	Wexford	
	The Rower	The Rower	The Rower	Kilkenny	
	Coole	Coole	The Rower	Kilkenny	
p42	Kilreenagh	Kildreenagh	Dunleckny	Carlow	
p43	Rathbride	Rathbride	Tully	Kildare	
	Kilshanchoe	Kilshanchoe	Dunfierth	Kildare	
	Larch Hill	Larch Hill	Ballybrackan	Kildare	
p48	Newtownbarry	Newtownbarry (and town)	St. Mary's, Newtownbarry	Wexford	
	Aughathlappa	Aughathlappa	Monart	Wexford	
	Enniscorthy	Enniscorthy (and town)	St. Mary's, Enniscorthy	Wexford	
p49	Killann	Killann (and village)	Killann	Wexford	
p50	Cairn	Caim	Monart	Wexford	
p53	Kiltennel	Kiltennel	Kiltennel	Wexford	
p55	Doneshall	Dunishal	Carnew	Wexford	
p56	Killenahane	Kiltillahan	Carnew	Wexford	
	Hollyfort	Hollyfort	Kilnahue	Wexford	
p59	Kiddermagh	Kildreenagh	Dunleckny	Carlow	
p61	Scullabogue	Scullaboge	Newbawn	Wexford	
p64	Ballycarnew12*	Ballycanew (and town)	Ballycanew	Wexford	
p65	Ballynancoram	Ballynancoran	Carnew	Wexford	
	or Ballancan13*	not found			
p66	Ballywancros13*	not found			
p69	Anagh or Annagh14*	Annagh Central	Kilnahue	Wexford	
p70	Ballinagarry15*	Ballingarry Lower	Kilnahue	Wexford	
p78	Burnchurch	Burnchurch	Burnchurch	Kilkenny	
	Corbally	Corbally	Tecolm	Queen's Co.	
	Castlecomer	Castlecomer	Castlecomer	Kilkenny	
p79	Stradbally	Stradbally (and town)	Stradbally	Queen's Co.	
	Rathspick	Rathaspick	Rathaspick	Queen's Co.	
	Ballickmoyler	Ballickmoyler (and village)	Killabban	Queen's Co.	
	Maidenhead	Maidenhead	Killabban	Queen's Co.	
	Coon16*	Coan East	Dysart	Kilkenny	
	  (and Coan village)	Coan West	Dysart	Kilkenny	
p80	Clogrenan	Clogrenan	Cloydagh	Queen's Co.	
	Clogrenan	Clogrenan	Cloydagh	Carlow	
	Athy	Athy (and townlands)	St. John's	Kildare	
p81	Farnans	Farnans	Killabban	Queen's Co.	
	Templemore	Templemore	Templemore	Tipperary	
	Ballylennan17*	Ballylehane Lower	Killabban	Queen's Co.	
		Ballylehane Upper	Killabban	Queen's Co.	
p82	Coolcullen	Coolcullen	Mothell	Kilkenny	
p85	Cruttenclough	Croghtenclogh	Castlecomer	Kilkenny	
p86	Bilbo	Bilboa village is on OSI map but is not in IreAtlas		Carlow-'s Co.	
p87	Old Leighlinbridge	Oldleighlin	Oldleighlin	Carlow	
	Killinair18*	Killinure	Aghowle	Wicklow	
		Kill	Rathaspick	Kilkenny	
	Dysart19*	Dysart Glebe	Dysart	Kilkenny	
		Dysart	Dysartenos	Queen's Co.	
p90	Castletown	Castletown	Killabban	Queen's Co.	
p91	Ballylinar	Ballylynan	Killabban	Queen's Co.	
p92	Crossleigh	Crosslow	Tullowphelim	Carlow	
	Timahoe	Timahoe (and village)	Fossy or Timahoe	Queen's Co.	
p96	Escarty	Uskerty	Dysart	Kilkenny	

Townland placename footnotes

1* Coolroe – context of p. 17 makes clear this is Coolroe near Tintern in southern Co. Wexford. However, there are (at least) two other Coolroe townlands in the general area which might have been (but I think happen not to have been) locations of some Kidds' in Franklin Kidd's manuscript. One is in Co. Wicklow, east of Shillelagh and south of Tinahely; the other is in Co. Carlow about 3.5 miles NNW of Clonegall town (see the Google Earth kmz file, in which these are all included).

2* Owenduff – no townland or village of that name exists in Wexford, nor does it occur as such on the old 1840's era OS maps in or near the townland of Coolroe, Wexford. There is an Owenduff River which passes along the western side of Coolroe townland. There is also an Owenduff civil parish in the IreAtlas database.

3* Coolbawn – Coolbaun townland is near Ferns; Coolbawn Desmesne is near Killann and, from the context, must be the one intended here.

4* Slyguff (on p. 27), and Glenharry, are given as in Boris parish. While they are only about 4½ miles from Borris, they are much closer to Lorum (and if there was a Sliguff church for Sliguff parish, presumably it was close by also).

5* Mount Lucas – no match in any townlands near Rathvilly. There is a Mountlucas townland far away in King's County, but this seems unlikely to be correct in the context. I think this was probably a farm/house name.

6* Money – the context given, especially the Carnew Register, makes it most likely this is the Money located between Askamore and Carnew. However, there two townlands (Money Lower and Money Upper) in Aghowle parish, Co. Wicklow, west of Shillelagh, that could perhaps be an alternative choice, especially given that Samuel's brother Joseph rented land in Coolkenne in that parish, a townland adjacent to Money Lower and Upper.

7* Coolkenne – earlier on p. 8 and 16 this place is mentioned as the stonemason's home, spelled Coolkenno and Coolkenna; these are all the same townland, and the latter is the approved spelling.

8* Drummin – another townland with multiple occurrences. Contexts for the first Drummin, and the next, Drummine, on p. 32 make it most likely that the Drummin adjacent to Balisland, northeast of Clonegall, is the one to pick for these two items. However, it might just be the Drummin in Co. Carlow, no farther away from Clonegall, on the west bank of the River Slaney and with a handy bridge at Craan on the road between them.

9* Drummin –  the third occurrence, Drummen, on p 32 is I think not the same townland as the first two, because the bride is described as of this place, and the marriage took place in Preban & Moyne, and there is a Drummin townland immediately adjacent to Preban.

10* Barnadown – There are two other Barnadown townlands, Upper and Lower, (in Liskinfere civil parish) about 2½ miles SW of Gorey. These are unlikely choices for the farm of William T. mentioned in the text because the children were baptised in Kilpipe, which is close to plain Barnadown, just across the Wexford-Wicklow border here, but far away from the Upper and Lower versions of Barnadown.

11* Ullard – There is another Ullard townland not too far away, about ten miles SW of Cranemore, just across the Carlow county border in Kilkenny. Franklin Kidd's context, including the statement that it is just two miles from Cranemore, show that the Ullard in Co. Kilkenny is not the place referred to in the typescript.

12* Ballycarnew – Because the typescript contains the qualifying statement “four or five miles south of Gorey”, this must be Ballycanew; the possible alternative place that would otherwise equally well match the name alone (Ballycarney, 3 miles west of Ferns) is not the one to choose here.

13* Ballancan, Ballywancros – Franklin Kidd makes it clear that he thinks these are corruptions of Ballynancoran

14* Annagh (or Anagh) – this is certainly one (or all) of the 6 or 7 various “Annagh this or that” townlands in the area centred about 4 miles north of Gorey. It is therefore not the one plain Annagh townland listed in Wexford, located in Monamolin parish according to the IreAtlas database, which is about 5 miles SE of Camolin.

15* Ballinagarry – could be one (or all three) of Ballinagarry Upper, Lower, or Wood.

16* Coon (or Coom in p. 81 footnote) – It is not clear which of the two choices (Coan West, or Coan East) in the townland database might be correct in any of the individual occurrences in the typescript; or possibly both together There is also a Coan village.

17* Ballylennan – Based on the context (proximity to Corbally, Rathaspick, Maidenhead), the only plausible match is Ballylehane; not clear which of the two choices, Lower or Upper Ballylehane, is the right one, or perhaps both.

18* Killinair – there is no direct match to this name in the townland database. The two possibilities shown are Killinure, which is a long distance away from Mothel, but is a place near where Kidd relatives were living; or Kill, which is not far away from Mothel, and apparently in Rathaspick parish despite being just over the county border, in Kilkenny, but is not a very good match to the name given in the typescript. I think it is not possible to decide which might be right, without further context.

19* Dysart – Dysart Glebe is nearby; Dysart is far away from Mothel Church, near Stradbally. I think the Glebe is more likely to be the right place, if a townland; but it might be a parish reference (see list following).

(Parish list on the next page)

Page number in FK manuscript	Parish name from FK manuscript	Name from IreAtlas database (bold if different from FK typescript)	County/ies	Church if name different; comment	
p6	Clonmore	Clonmore	Wexford		
p9	Kilrush	Kilrush	Wexford		
p11	Moyacombe	Moyacomb	Wexford-Wicklow-Carlow	Clonegall	
p11	Kilcombe	Kilcomb	Wexford		
p17	Tintern	Tintern	Wexford		
	Owenduff	Owenduff	Wexford	church not identified	
p21	Carnew	Carnew	Wexford-Wicklow		
p23	Ballycarney	Ballycarney	Wexford		
p25	Killanne	Killann	Wexford		
p26	Bamogh*a	Barragh	Carlow	Kildavin	
p27	Boris	Borris	Queen's Co.		
p28	Rathvilly	Rathvilly	Carlow		
p29	Tullow	Tullowphelim	Carlow		
		Tullowmagimma	Carlow		
p31	Aghowle	Aghowle	Wicklow		
p32	Preban and Moyne	Preban	Wicklow	separate in IreAtlas	
		Moyne	Wicklow	separate in IreAtlas	
p34	Gorey & Kilnahue	Kilnahue
	Wexford		
	Kilpipe	Kilpipe	Wicklow-Wexford		
	Tinahely	Kilcommon	Wicklow		
	Ardamine	Ardamine	Wexford		
p35	Ferns	Ferns	Wexford		
	Tombe	Toome	Wexford		
p37	Aghade Kilbride	Aghade	Carlow	Kilbride	
p39	Mothel*b	Mothel or Mothell	Kilkenny	(or Bethel in FK)	
p48	Monart	Monart	Wexford		
	Templeshambo	Templeshanbo	Wexford		
p53	Kiltennell	Kiltennell	Wexford		
p64	Ballycarnew	Ballycanew	Wexford		
p78	Castlecomer	Castlecomer	Kilkenny		
p79	Rathspick	Rathaspick	Queen's Co.-Kilkenny		
p80	Clogdagh	Cloydagh	Queen's Co.-Carlow		
p81	Tecolm	Tecolm	Queen's Co.		
p87		Dysart	Dysart	Kilkenny		

Parish name footnotes

*a Barragh – picked because of geographic context and proximity. I suggest Bamogh is a product of corruption from imperfect oral and/or handwriting transcription.

*b Mothel – this has alternative Mothell in the IreAtlas database; Franklin Kidd has the alternative Bethel, which is not listed for this place in the modern Irish sources.